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"Re: Ruolo imprese in Italia" .
"2010-06-08T03:37:22"^^ .
"Bravo Giovanni, vedo che stai lavorando tantissimo" .
"Sloop2Desc in Italy" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=5&id=6&lang=#7" .
"state of the art of the project in Italy" .
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"Selezione dei docenti per i corsi a cascata" .
"Stato di avanzamento sulla selezione dei docenti in Italia per i corsi a cascata" .
"Sloop2Desc in Italy" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=5&id=11&lang=#11" .
"state of the art of the project in Italy" .
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"Meeting in Slovenia" .
"2010-06-23T06:18:19"^^ .
"Next meeting in Slovenia will be organized by SSI, October 25,26." .
"General" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=7&id=9&lang=#9" .
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"Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"Organization of the translation work" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#10" .
"state of the art of the project in Romania and Slovenia" .
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"Competenze informatiche e scuola." .
"Si stanno sempre pi\u00F9 diffondendo in Europa alcuni sistemi per la certificazione delle competenze nel settore delle professionalit\u00E0 informatiche. Se sei a conoscenza di qualcuno di questi sistemi, hai mai pensato su come tali sistemi possano influenzare la didattica e i cili di studio nelle scuole, soprattutto negli istituto superiori a indirizzo informatico?" .
"Competenze informatiche, Scuole, Imprese" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"2010-06-16T03:29:06"^^ .
"Dear All,\r\n\r\n[b]ITSOS [/b]has published the new version of the online course that should be translated into Romanian and Slovenian for the online courses that we\\'ll start next November.\r\n\r\nThe course is in its \\'work-in progress\\' form; in fact, [b]Mara [/b]has inserted important instructions for translation, and in particular:\r\n\r\n[ul]- general translation guidelines have been added at the beginning of the course;\r\n- all resources and activities that must be translated as they are have been marked as \\\"TO BE TRANSLATED\\\".[/ul]\r\n\r\nIn addition, [b]Mara [/b]and colleagues have already uploaded [color=#BF0000]Romanian MetaLOs[/color] when available (Learning Objects developed during the former Sloop project, which have been reused in Sloop2desc). [color=#BF0000]Slovenian MetaLOs[/color] (produced during Sloop) are available at [url=http://www.kii2.ntf.uni-lj.si/sloop/]http://www.kii2.ntf.uni-lj.si/sloop/[/url]\r\n\r\nAs decided in Sinaia, only some parts of the course should be translated into [color=#BF0000]Romanian and Slovenian (via English)[/color], since it can be much easier to find Romanian/Slovenian resources already on the net, or to develop some resources in Slovenian/Romanian from scratch; for this reason, some resources in the course have not been marked, even if they are in Italian. Specifically to these resources, there are possible different options:\r\n\r\n- similar resources can be found in the web in the language of partners (e.g. videos or presentations on Moodle, Delicious, ...)\r\n- if videos, either they can be developed from scratch directly in the language of the partners or they could be subtitled.\r\n- they can be omitted if the objectives of the module can be reached anyway.\r\n\r\n Let me add that few resources do not need translation at all: for example, the content of \\\"[url=http://www.sloopproject.eu/sloop/mod/resource/view.php?id=3126]Cosa si intende con Web 2.0[/url]\\\" is in English, and I suppose it\\'s clear for everybody (I would just translate the title).\r\n\r\nThe course is available at ITSOS Sloop moodle:\r\nh[url=ttp://www.sloopproject.eu/sloop/course/view.php?id=58]ttp://www.sloopproject.eu/sloop/course/view.php?id=58[/url]\r\n\r\n[b]Danica, Maria[/b] and [b]Carmen [/b]have already been registered as students, so you can start to have an idea of the course. I ask [b]Pierfranco [/b]to register also [b]Metka, Lucian, Iulian, Vasja[/b] and [b]Niko[/b].\r\n\r\n[b]@Uni_Galati:[/b] please note that Modules 4 and 5 should be customized according to the system of certification in the navigation field that you have identified for the Romanian course. You should keep the structure of the course, and also point 4.1 concerning EQF. The remaining part of module 4 and module 5 should focus on your system of certification.\r\n\r\n[b]@Univ_galati, Univ_Lublj, SSI, DEIS[/b]: please, enter the course and have a look, to get an idea of the course structure and objectives.\r\n\r\n[b]@METID[/b]: Don\\'t you have an English version of the PPT presentations in Module 2? I guess that some of the presentations have been presented at international meetings or conferences, so you could speed up the translation work by providing the English version of these presentations.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRANSLATION WORK:\r\nTranslation should be done in 2 phases: [color=#BF0000](A )[/color] from Italian into English [color=#BF0000](B )[/color] from English into Slovenian/Romanian (we could also have from Italian into Romanian, and from Romanian into English).\r\n\r\n[color=#BF0000]Task B[/color] is up to the Univ of Galati (Romanian course) and Univ. of Lubljiana/SSI (Slovenian course - Univ of Lublj: Module 1, 2 and 3 of the course; SSI: Module 4 and 5)\r\n\r\nDifferent partners offered for [color=#BF0000]task A[/color]: [b]Deis, Univ of Galati[/b] (from Romanian into English), [b]CNR[/b]. I think that if we divide the translation work by hese three partners, we can do it quickly and with no additional resources (we avoid to make further changes in the budget). What do you think? I can propose a division of the translation work (I can send you this by the end of next week, since I\\'ll be in holiday from Friday till next Wednesday).\r\n\r\nAs soon as we decide about this, we can organize the translation work; for example, we could decide to work directly in the platform activated by [b]ITSOS [/b](previous link), and all the contributing partners will be responsible to translate a part of the resources into English (task A). When task A is finished, we could move the English course into the Slovenian and Romanian moodle platforms, where you could complete task B.\r\n[b]Carmen[/b], if you are still available for translating from Italian into Romanian, and then somebody at your Univ could translate from Romanian into English, we will organize accordingly.\r\n\r\nBut we can decide only after we have taken a decision about translation. If you have problems to get access to te platform, please ask [b]Luigi[/b] or [b]Mara[/b].\r\n\r\nNote that all the Italian partners who have contributed to the preparation of the course in Italian are available for clarifications to improve and simplify the translation work. Don\\'t hesitate to ask.\r\n\r\n[color=#BF0000]Thanks Mara and Pierfanco for the great work![/color]\r\n\r\nWaiting for your feedback\r\nGiovanni\r\n\r\n(orginally sent by gfulantelli on 26/05/2010 20.06)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#19" .
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"Competenze informatiche e imprese." .
"Se lavori in un\\'azienda in cui operano figure professionali nel settore dell\\'informatica, riporta qui la tua esperienza sulle difficolt\u00E0 nel reperire giovani diplomati o laureati in discipline informatiche che rispondano alle esigenze della tua impresa." .
"Competenze informatiche, Scuole, Imprese" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=9&id=17&lang=#17" .
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"Ruolo imprese in Italia (IT only)" .
"2010-06-08T12:01:54"^^ .
"Coinvolgimento delle imprese nel corso pilota" .
"Sloop2Desc in Italy" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=5&id=6&lang=#6" .
"state of the art of the project in Italy" .
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"Esperienze di elearning nella scuola" .
"Quali difficolt\u00E0 nell\\'adozione di pratiche basate sull\\'elearning nella scuola italiana? Raccontate qui le vostre esperienze" .
"e-learning e scuole" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=10&id=18&lang=#18" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"[i]2010/5/26 Fulantelli Giovanni \r\n\r\nDanica, Maria and Carmen have already been registered as students, so you can start to have an idea of the course. I ask Pierfranco to register also Metka, Lucian, Iulian, Vasja and Niko.[/i]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nHi all\r\nMetka, Lucian and Iulian are already registered on the platform, so I have been able to enrole them to the course. \r\nAs for Niko and Vasja I kindly ask them to register at www.slooproject.eu (virtual class ITSOS) and let me know after having done it, so that I can enrole them to the course.\r\n\r\nPlease let me know who is going to do the translation work, so I can move them from \\\"student\\\" to \\\"teacher\\\".\r\n\r\nAll the best\r\n\r\n\r\nPierfranco\r\n\r\n(originally sent by Pierfranco Ravotto on 27/05/2010 15.04)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#20" .
"state of the art of the project in Romania and Slovenia" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"Dear Giovanni and Pierfranco,\r\n\r\nThere are a number of questions around DEIS doing translation work. We would need a subcontracting budget as we don\u0092t have any inhouse facilities for translation. We also don\u0092t have contacts of translators, but i\u0092m sure we could locate some if need be!\r\n\r\nIf DEIS are required to do some translation work we will need to know as soon as possible so as to organise the subcontracting budget to allow us to hire someone. We would also need to find suitable translators which would take time and may slow up the process of translation. Given that Giovanni mentions avoiding further budget changes in the email below, it would probably be best if the University of Galati were to translate the materials into English if they have the facilities.\r\n\r\nWhat do you think?\r\n\r\nBest regards,\r\nMaria \r\n\r\n(originally posted by Maria Murrey on 27/05/2010 17.10)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#21" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"Maria,\r\n \r\nI\u0092ll take into account your difficulties, and try to find a way to solve the problem.\r\n\r\nLet\u0092s wait for an answer from Galati, and I\u0092ll go back to this. \r\n\r\nGiovanni\r\n\r\n(orginally sent by gfulantelli on 27/05/2010 18.42)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#22" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"Hi Giovanni\r\n\r\na question for you.\r\nAs you know not many \\\"resources\\\" require to be translated. In many cases the \\\"translator\\\" has to find similar resources (for example: videos on you tube concerning how to use Moodle) in her/his own language.\r\nThus the people in charge of the translation has to be an expert on e-learning and web 2.0 more then a \\\"translator\\\"..\r\n\r\nMy question is the following: is the English version of the Sloop2desc course one of the expected product or it\\'s only a step necessary to produce the Slovenian and Romanian courses?\r\nIn the second case it\\'s not necessary to find and insert English resources, a part for the ones indicated as \\\"to be translated\\\". \r\n\r\nAll the best\r\n\r\n\r\nPierfranco\r\n\r\n(originally sent by Pierfranco Ravotto on 27/05/2010 19.38)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#23" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"In the project we declared that the course would be translated into the languages of the partners.\r\n\r\nI\u0092m not sure that we said the same also for the resources produced by the trainees (I\u0092ll check, but I\u0092m sure that just a short summary in En for each resource will be enough); but concerning the Sloop2desc course, we must have it in English too. \r\n\r\nThis is very important also for exploitation purposes.\r\n\r\nGiovanni\r\n\r\n\r\n(orginally sent by gfulantelli on 27/05/2010 19.58)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#24" .
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"Re:Translation of the Moodle contents into En, Ro, Sl" .
"I understand your point and I agree with you.\r\n\r\nThe problem is that the people in charge of the translation should be able NOt only to translate the labels (objectivies and activities of each unit) that is a small job, BUT he/she should be able to find similar resources online. May be Maria could do this part (serching in the web) while the translator may provide only the short descriptions of tasks , objectives and may be some power point presentations. Is this feasible?\r\n\r\nMara\r\n\r\n(originally sent by mara Masseroni on 28/05/2010 9.27)" .
"Sloop2Desc in Romania and Slovenia" .
"http://www.sloop2desc.eu/forum.html?func=view&catid=6&id=10&lang=#25" .
"state of the art of the project in Romania and Slovenia" .
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